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« Reply #15 on: October 31, 2008, 11:17:01 PM »

Hi Eugene,

nice from you to check back and answer our questions!

One point to consider: A good stock image can easily generate more then $500-800 USD during its "lifetime". Considering that the submitter only gets 40% of this at your site that would mean $200-320 USD commission per sale. I am only a mediocre contributor but I have a few images that have already earned me more then this amount across all the sites, without loosing the copyright! SY
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« Reply #16 on: November 01, 2008, 09:41:31 AM »

Ok selling stock on an exclusive buy out does not pay more, that is correct.
However art is not stock. Stock is a complete different process and much much easier then art to make. Also the emotional bindings one has with stock are far less, since these are made to BE simple and sell fast for low prices.
It is the comparison between stock and art that I find a bit annoying in this story.
The point of building up a name together with the price for your art I do understand though.
HOWEVER with 20.000 works on-line of which (let's say) 5000 are good sellers and go up in price from 800 tot 2500 and 15000 are still available at the very low market prices I don't think the high priced items will sell much.
But what I fear the most:
My ultimate dream in photography is that a museum recognizes the art aspect in such a way that they want to owe one of mine. They don't even have to hang it on their wall as long as the recognize it as art and see the value of its ownership. I am very afraid that selling my art through this stock compared system that I am destroying my artist name at the same time, thus killing my chances of reaching my ultimate goal.


Then next point. Is art still art and is exclusive still exclusive when they suddenly appear on t-shirts, cups and mousemats and are being marketed as commercial stock again?
A lot of art is art because the limitations it has to it, because the buyer knows that it is the only piece on his/her wall that exists. The mentioned prices are thinkable of when selling 10 out of 10.
I will send him a mail I think and maybe try three pieces but not at these rates.
40% of 500 USD in Euros is 140 Euro for me and 210 for noequivalent.
40% of 800 USD in Euros is 224 Euro for me and 336 for noequivalent.
Compared to 2500 incl framing that is 10%
I am willing to make some money out of my art instead of it lying high and dry on the shelf but I am not willing to price my works much lower then they should be valued.
I might be, if the percentage for me as an artist (who does all the work, as well as the thinking process as well as the production process), would be better and not giving away 60% of the money while doing 80% of the work, I might consider giving it a try.

I have to think about this. HARD.

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« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2008, 04:46:07 AM »

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One point to consider: A good stock image can easily generate more then $500-800 USD during its "lifetime". Considering that the submitter only gets 40% of this at your site that would mean $200-320 USD commission per sale. I am only a mediocre contributor but I have a few images that have already earned me more then this amount across all the sites, without loosing the copyright! SY

It is true that a single image can generate this type of return over its lifetime but industry statistics show that the average stock image in today’s stock industry earns a photographer about $11 a year.  (This number might even be on the high side since researchers admit that people making more money are more likely to participate in such surveys)  We offer photographers to earn 20 years worth of income in one sale.

If you take all the images you have/had posted in the past 10 years and total the income you have received from them.  Then divide this income by the number of images that you have/had posted during this time so you can see how much money you are really making on a per image basis.  If you end up with a large number then I congratulate you as you are probably in the top few percent of the industry and I encourage you to continue doing what you are doing.  On the other hand, if you are part of the ninety-some percent of the photographers that struggle to make money in the industry you will understand why keeping the product in its status quo is not working.

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My ultimate dream in photography is that a museum recognizes the art aspect in such a way that they want to owe one of mine. They don't even have to hang it on their wall as long as the recognize it as art and see the value of its ownership. I am very afraid that selling my art through this stock compared system that I am destroying my artist name at the same time, thus killing my chances of reaching my ultimate goal.

Then next point. Is art still art and is exclusive still exclusive when they suddenly appear on t-shirts, cups and mousemats and are being marketed as commercial stock again?
A lot of art is art because the limitations it has to it, because the buyer knows that it is the only piece on his/her wall that exists.

There is a lot of value in what you are talking about Frenk and you should know that we have taken this feedback to heart.  I would just like to tell you that we are not trying to compare stock and art as the two are quite distinct.  We will be selling the two separately and an artistic image will never be displayed beside a business targeted work. 

From the artist perspective, we do believe that there is a unifying factor and that there are a lot of skills and artistic fundamentals that are shared when creating both types of work; they are just applied toward two distinct purposes.

From a product perspective, we are simply applying the same concept of “uniqueness” to the two distinct products.  The meaning of this concept is quite different when discussing it in reference to art and stock but the underlying message is the same; you are buying ownership of a unique work.  Unfortunately, even in reference to art, it wouldn’t be the same if instead of assigning copyright we were to grant a buyer exclusive rights to hang the picture on their wall.  The buyer will not be the sole owner of the image as the artist has a version in his/her possession over which the buyer has no control.  Also, if you were to buy an original “Frenk” work, you might want to use it as an investment so you can resell it later; when Frenk becomes famous.  And if, at that time, the buyer does choose to print the image on mugs and mouse pads, is that really so different when compared to having Van Gogh’s Starry Night mugs and mouse pads?

I do understand that these questions do not have black and white answers and so each artist needs to make this decision for himself/herself.  An artist that joins NoEquivalent needs to be comfortable with selling the images they upload with no restrictions attached.

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« Reply #18 on: November 05, 2008, 08:08:08 AM »

I am willing to give it a testshot. But at a fair 50-50 basis.
If that is ok please mail me at info@dnf-style.com

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« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2008, 03:20:14 AM »

We appreciate the interest but a negotiated consignment fee would be unfair to other member artists.

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« Reply #20 on: February 16, 2009, 08:24:02 PM »

What was the outcome on this one? Anybody here ever signed up? SY
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« Reply #21 on: February 17, 2009, 10:48:42 AM »

I did, uploaded about 10 pics and am waiting for them to go online in march.
I thought that a little money is always more then no income at all.
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« Reply #22 on: February 28, 2009, 08:52:33 AM »

I might have an interest in this too, but I have reservations just from reading the thread. Typically I do more artwork these days.

I'm pretty sure I'd refuse to hand over copyright to a piece of artwork based on the prices alone.

I might be willing to produce a couple of pieces specifically for it, but not until I can see the site up and running.
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« Reply #23 on: July 02, 2009, 07:35:04 PM »

Hi all,

We have launched NoEquivalent’s gallery in April and have already had many great successes.  Finally, our customers have found a product that is superior to all alternatives and our artists have benefited because they now have a way to sell their images often, at a premium, and over the long run.

We invite everyone to visit our gallery and take a look at the only place that offers completely unique art and stock photography.  If you would like to join this up and coming trend then visit our artist portal and learn more about what we offer member photographers.  You can also read about us at the NoEquivalent blog or follow us on twitter.

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« Reply #24 on: July 04, 2009, 02:11:54 PM »

Thanks for the update, Eugene, I will have a closer look when I am back from holidays / vacations ;-) I would be also be interested to hear about the experiences of contributors. SY
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« Reply #25 on: July 04, 2009, 09:26:14 PM »

Contributor since day one, exposure on the frontsite (thanks Eugene).
No sales yet.

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« Reply #26 on: July 04, 2009, 09:29:53 PM »

Contributor since day one, exposure on the frontsite (thanks Eugene).
No sales yet.

Frenk

Makes me want to wait a bit longer ;-) SY
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« Reply #27 on: July 28, 2009, 11:37:30 AM »

3 weeks later, no sales yet and doubts about offering more.

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« Reply #28 on: July 28, 2009, 12:15:35 PM »

3 weeks later, no sales yet and doubts about offering more.

Frenk

For how long are your images tied to them, can you delete them any time or is there a waiting period? SY
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« Reply #29 on: July 28, 2009, 12:23:25 PM »

I can delete them anytime. After deletion there is a waiting period of only 48 hours.
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